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Hannibal Rewatch: 2x03

Season 2, Episode 3: “Hassun”

**Warning: rewatch blogging, written with knowledge of the full series

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I promised I’d not screencap any of this initial sequence, so here let’s just look at the incredible focus and lighting on this shot of Hugh Dancy’s beautiful eyes and beautiful sea-change irises, and talk mostly in the abstract about Will’s internal struggles in S2, as we do.

Alrighty, so Will Graham A TV Character is in a difficult position for a protagonist, because last season we were allowed to get up so close to him, could practically feel him tearing under Hannibal & Jack’s hands as they pulled him apart between them. Not only could we SEE him drowning, water flooding the frames nearly as often as light, we could HEAR him, because he would tell Hannibal how he felt. Will was open in S1 — too open, and he got hurt so, soooo badly. Now in S2, he’s trying to close off from others, reluctant to tell anyone how he really feels, terrified his words will echo around this dark stone chamber for anyone to grab and use against him. So he swallows down that scream perched under his chin, traps it inside where it synaesthizes into these searing visuals. Does Will feel conflicted? I don’t know, let’s take a look again at that cap up there, his face cleaved in light and shadow. Does Will feel self-destructive? I don’t know, let’s look at the scene where he imagines himself executed by his own hand.

It’s fantastically done, because as S2 Will’s words & behaviors toward the people around him change to something more filtered and defensive, his ~true~ thoughts & feelings & Will Grahamness becomes something contested — amongst the other characters, and amongst the audience. But for those of us watching the show, we get something more than Alana, or Jack, or Chilton: Will’s nightmares, his visions made of antler and blood. They’re something Will feels that only we can see, and we take this and we intuit, we come to conclusions about Will, think that we, at least, do know him.

There’s a character who feels like this too, of course.

Oh yeah, they’ve gone done it again, those brilliant storynerds: they’ve Lecterized us. And you know what happens to Hannibal Lecter this season? He gets surprised by Will Graham a fair few times. Something we’ll be able to…empathize with.

THIS. SERIES.

Alright let’s live-blog another chapter of this damn masterpiece:

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Anonymous asked:

Heyy, I've been reading your very entertaining recaps after I newly discovered Hannibal myself. I love the series but the story between Bedelia/Hannibal, her running off with him never made sense to me. They talk about the sexual tension between them and that she goes with him because of the whole deal with her patient. She was smart enough to back away because she knew what Hannibal was in S2. What she does in S3 is suicidal. It's like they simply wanted her there even if she has no reason.

Thanks bud, and yeah I can definitely talk about this! Preemptively though, I’d recommend this big ol fascinating wonderful dialogue about Bedelia du Maurier: Her Life & Interests. I’d started it because I’ve seen a fair number of fans express confusion over Bedelia, so I tried to paint a hopefully clearer picture of her based on what I’d gotten from her on the show, and then all these brilliant people jumped in with more takes, and now it’s just about as glorious as Bedelia’s ice blonde curls, frankly.

There’s a lot in there on the aspects of Bedelia’s personality/motivations that would seem to apply to her decision to go off with Hannibal at the end of S2, but as for direct discussion of that, @genufa has written some on it here that I find to be some Good Stuff.

To sorta paraphrase from all these sources and also add more of my own thoughts on when she stays & when she leaves…..

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Anonymous asked:

It's amazing how static Jack is considering he lives in Hannersverse. While everyone is having an identity crisis, he goes right back to being him (a bedrock though not always a helpful way) Like, he's not curious about knowing himself better like Bedelia, Will, and Hannibal? Hmm, so maybe being not curious about yourself(s2!Alana, Jack) makes Hannibal deceive you, and being curious about yourself makes you walk into Hannibal's deception?

Haha! I’d nearly made a “bedrock” dig at Jack myself, *high five*. Oh Jaaack, this is not the way we would want you to be steady if it means you’re never gonna learn from your mistakes.

But yeah, I’d say Jack usually seems pretty secure in himself, based on the high similarity of his actions over time if nothing else, although the Will Issue of early S2 definitely rattles him. The way Jack sees it, either he was wrong in his judgment of what Will could handle, or he was wrong about Will just entirely, and both are a blow to his faith in his ability to assess people. As he is literally in charge of a BEHAVIORAL SCIENCE UNIT, that would be a doozy. But he has a (normal) therapist to help him though, and then it turns out Will isn’t a serial killer after all! So no need to worry about that anymore, whew.

Although I’d agree that Jack & Alana aren’t as intensely curious about themselves as the Unholy Trio up there, I do think that Alana’s S2 choice to start seeing Hannibal, for instance, is largely about her wanting to explore the part of herself called Being In A Relationship. I think she’s curious if she can be the kind of person who dates after all. But the key difference is probably that where Bedelia & S2 Will know what Hannibal is and are curious about how their own true selves reflect off the true him, Alana has not been afforded that dubious privilege. She’s reflecting off the person suit, so although that’s still interesting to Hannibal, her curiosity is not gonna have the same dangerous draw as that of his favorites.

It looks like I’ve talked myself into a place where Hannibal is attracted to introspection, which to bring it all back to Jack, who surely has the lowest drive to self-analyze, we could joke that that might be part of why he’s the only one of the four Hannibal doesn’t try to date :p

and then Will being the most inwardly-parsing person IN THE ENTIRE WORLD would be why he's Hanners' baest of baes hah I don't know if this is totally sound but it sure feels neat (good god I should put that tag on every single piece of meta I've ever written) replies anon Hannibal Hannibal spoilers thinkin about cannibalism
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Anonymous asked:

"That script’s been nested into a bigger script, which Will both controls and not-controls. And it’s that quality of simultaneous knowing and un-knowingness, deliberate control and not-control, that Hannibal recognizes and acknowledges as the process of any artist." I feel like I have just read something very smart that I do not yet have the capacity to understand, can you rehash this bit in smaller words ;-;?

genufa answered:

OK, sorry XD I will walk this back. 

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Anonymous asked:

Since discussion about dark!Will just recently cropped up, can you talk about what you mean by Monster Husbands vs Murder Husbands? And how it relates to the post-S3 interpretation that Will embraces the killer cannibal lifestyle? (Tbh, I don't think being married to the devil means you have to become one just like him. I've always seen Will as an angry angel capable of smiting, Hannibal wanting him to smite more, but his core "goodness" never quite changes).

G l a d l y, my dear!! (And as you’ve probably gathered from my blog, we feel quite similarly!)

First up, I’m just gonna preemptively cred @confusedkayt right at the top here, as I’m pretty certain my answer to this will be sourced heavily from the on-going conversation/creys on this and other topics we’ve been having for the past, oh, month? Basically, something that matters a whooole lot to Kayt & myself (if I can presume to speak for the both of us based on…..so many words exchanged, and how many of them are stuff like “OMG SAME”) is reconciling our resounding No to Question 4 of @genufa‘s recent dark!Will questionnaire with the realities of how to actually get that to happen.

Anyway, my answers to those Qs, as that can useful for discussions like this:

  • Do I enjoy dark!Will and want to see Will as dark!Will: Y/N
    No
  • Do I think Will is (or would be) happier/better/more evolved as dark!Will: Y/N
    No
  • Do I think Will actually became dark!Will in canon, i.e. at least some of the acts of violence and manipulation he committed through the series put him morally “beyond the pale,” and he likes it that way: Y/N
    No, at length
  • Do I think it’s necessary for Will to be dark!Will in order for Hannigram to be endgame: Y/N
    No, cue the Kaytntruly Discussions (which actually started thanks to the previous No, wow this is tidy)
  • Given my answers to the above, do I feel that Hannibal’s actions toward Will throughout the series are justified from a moral, philosophical, or aesthetic standpoint: Y/N
    No, but. (also don’t press me on aesthetic bc I’ll probably end up swinging Yes, as that feels like justification for the tv show itself existing)
  • Am I judging any of the above based on the same standards I’d apply to real people in real life: Y/N
    Yes I am #problematic

Now, the reason my answers are No to so many of these is not because I think Will is some sort of cinnamon roll (I very do not), but because I don’t think he is/would be the slay-happy Murder Husband of fandom who sprung into being after S3. I should also mention that I consider the Slay-Happy Murder Husband Of Fandom to be a different creature than, say, the occasional Bitchy Ice Prince Will (to lift a descriptor from one of after-the-ellipsis’ recent anons), who would be a canon Will varietal I get a vicious thrill out of in a way I project suspect is similar to how Will feels in those moments. Will is complicated. This I don’t have to suspect. Will is many, he contains multitudes. Actually a big reason why I balk at Murder Husband Dark!Will is how he so often feels like a simpler version of the messy, complicated Will I loved from the show. Dark!Will has a more limited range of notes, and if we know anything about Hannibal, the man likes complexity in his music.

But I’m getting ahead of myself a bit. (This topic is like my pettest of pets, so bear with me!)

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Hannibal Rewatch: 2x02

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Season 2, Episode 2: “Sakizuke”

**Warning: rewatch blogging, written with knowledge of the full series

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Bedelia watching Hannibal mess with Will must’ve been like walking in on your cat with a mouse. You’re like “Put that down” and the cat just shakes the mouse some more and looks at you happily. You realize that the mouse will probably die either way at this point and it’s not like you want mice *in* your house, so you just sigh and say “you jerk”. 

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Well, I don’t know! I actually got the feeling that Bedelia was doing a lot more for Will & herself in this episode than just letting our favorite murder cat play with his food. As team Bedelia du Maurier Defense Squad AND team Will Graham Defense Squad, that scene with the two of them in the BSHCI basically felt like a gift to me personally, and it had a lot to do with how they were connecting with each other as people Playing Opposite Hannibal Lecter.

For myself, I saw Bedelia’s decision to go see this Will Graham she’s heard so much about as a 3-part move. One part is a move against Hannibal: she has politely requested that he not follow her after she leaves, but it would be helpful if there was plenty back here to draw his attention. So she activates Will against Hannibal by affirming his judgments and bolstering his faith in himself/his ability to Fight, which brings us to….

Part 2: A move for Will. Can you even fathom how much Will needed to hear the things Bedelia told him here? HUGELY. HUGELY HUGE. She’s the first person to not (unwittingly) aid & abet Hannibal’s gaslighting, because actually (actually!!), everyone around Will has essentially been repeating to him “no one happened to you; you happened.” And then Bedelia arrives to assure him that yes, he IS a product of his social environment, and specifically a harmful form of attention from one Hannibal Lecter. And not only does she believe him, she believes in him. She’s pulling from personal experience: “The traumatized are unpredictable because we know we can survive.” WE.

Part 3: A move for herself. Bedelia is curious about Will Graham, both as he relates to Hannibal and for how he may relate to herself. And when she at last meets Will, she says she understands him better than she thought. As we know now, Hannibal had also stage-managed Bedelia into circumstances designed to make her tap into instincts she’d rather have kept down (and will do so again, it’s a past-time with him). Seeing how Will responds to a ~Hannibal Situation~ teaches her something about how she responds, and that’s valuable.

In the end, I think I love this interaction so much because of how surely it interweaves so many things I love about Bedelia: her curiosity about others & herself, her therapist’s compassionate problem-solving, and her cool thoughtful steps in her chess-dance with Hannibal.

(Also: I adore so much that their first scene is Bedelia paying a weird courtesy call to Will before she leaves, and their last scene is Will paying a weird courtesy call to Bedelia before he leaves, god it’s GREAT it’s so great.)

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Hannibal Rewatch: 2x02

Season 2, Episode 2: “Sakizuke”

**Warning: rewatch blogging, written with knowledge of the full series

I don’t think this is exactly *interesting* or what have you, more just a result of rewatching a television season about a year after the fact, but going into S2, I did not have a solid idea in my head of what happened in the first two episodes. I knew ep. 3 was the trial, I had that on lock, but if you’d asked me to place specific events I recalled from before the trial, I would have struggled. It’s probably a side effect of the case being strung between the the two episodes as well, and speaking of the case and also the word strung….

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Y’know that kind of teeth-baring that’s not a Hanners snarl but instead a sort of AFFRONTED REVULSION? So that’s me trying to watch this cold open. Again, NO STILLS, NO SORRY. Running into the corn field though, gotta say that’s such a good horror gesture. “Let me be a child of the corn anything but thiiiss” - that poor, poor guy with the nice skin

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I like where Hannibal & Alana are standing on their squares. I like that Will’s cage is centered on the line between them, too. I like I like. I think more than in S1, S2 does visual puns with patterns and symmetry that really remind you that this show is by the same man who made Pushing Daisies.

Will: “I’ve lost the plot. I’m the unreliable narrator of my own story.” Well actually deer one, Hannibal is unreliably narrating your story for you. Unless you’ve become like, the uncooperative second-person lead of an Italo Calvino novel or something. Actually that might be a decent analogy, but I can’t quite tell because trying to actually figure out what I mean by that feels like looking at an M.C. Escher drawing.

Will says he’s afraid twice in one line, and that must depress Hannibal, as he wanted Will to get better at managing his fear and he’s just made it worse. Tough rocks, Lecter.

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Here’s another question

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Which no one seems ever to put forth: if Will always had a conflicted attraction toward violence and murder (sure), and if that means he was always a potential killer (sure, whatever), could Hannibal have convinced him to stop worrying and start enjoying murderation w/ Hannibal at his side without, like, killing people he loved and shoving an ear down his throat and sending him to hospital and jail and all that jazz?

‘Cos, imagine, if I were Freddie Lounds in a post-S3 world and I had somehow managed to set up this exclusive Skype with Hannibal Lecter ON THE RUN and toward the end of the interview I was like, real talk Dr. Lecter, if you had it all to do over again would you have done anything differently? I kind of feel like Hannibal would allow that he MIGHT have done SOME things differently, in retrospect, knowing what he does now. And that might not have ruined what he has with Will (whatever that is, if you’re optimistic).

What I’m saying is, Hannibal had a goal in mind, or a few goals in mind.  That doesn’t mean what he executed in reality was a failproof #nailedit plan where every action advanced dark!Will’s development or their relationship or whatever. I’m not saying this to prove a point, just that I don’t believe in Xanatos chessmaster!Hannibal so there’s a chunk of logic that doesn’t follow, and maybe that actually opens up avenues of character speculation when you take a step back.

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This is a super-interesting question!  I was jawing something related over with @wellntruly recently, to wit:  a huge driver of the development of their relationship was Will trying to conceive of and act as Barbie Dress Up Murder Husband in the back half of S2.  The Will that really flipped Hannibal for a loop was, in large part, Will’s construct of what Hannibal might like, the successful creation of something to project on based in part but certainly not in whole on the raw personality materials available.

But Hannibal was also outright fascinated with Original Flavor Will in S1.  I don’t think Hannibal really had a paradigm for that; his MO was a sort of… forcible moulding of Promising Candidates (cf Randall Tier, the Zachary Quinto guy) that presupposed that Hannibal’s psychic driving was going to take folks to their most interesting (and, not coincidentally, murderous) place.

To my eyes, Digestivo-forward Hannibal had come to the conclusion that Will was more interesting when driving his own psyche, and his more hands-off approach (which, yes, was partially necessitated by being in prison, but then there’s how he ENDED UP in prison).  I wonder if part of that was that, having had some time to reflect, Hannibal was able to identify the most dazzling moments from the back-half of Season 2 as times when Will’s Murder Barbie performance slipped.  The real righteous rage aimed at Clark Ingram, for instance.   I’m not sure that Randall Tier’s death would have played out so differently if Will had not been mid-entrapment (with the notable exception of the visualization of beating Hannibal specifically - maybe Season 1 Will would have seen a ravenstag, or something else slithering symbolically around in the murky soup of his psyche).  I will grant the aftermath would not be the same, but the kind of… amateur-hour mounting efforts in the Natural History museum cannot possibly have been the real thrill of that experience.  

And then there’s the heavy losses Hannibal has sustained along the way.  I couldn’t agree more that Hannibal is not a chessmaster, especially when Will Graham, Agent of Chaos, is in the picture.  His “plans” consist more of keeping a lot of resources in his back pocket and deploying them impressionistically as needed in response to outside circumstances (what @wellntruly calls Fate and Hannerstance).  I don’t doubt that he’s spent some time and equations thinking on how he could’ve used different tools, made slightly different moves, in ways that did not require him to abandon his longstanding identity, to spend three years in a very boring prison, to suffer the loss of Will and his attention again and again and again.

The language is kind of forced forward by the Red Dragon, and to a lesser extent Jack, but I got the sense that Hannibal had come to appreciate Will as a dispenser of specifically violence he is willing to call “righteous.”  Now he’s the Lamb of God, and Hannibal doesn’t seem too put out by that.  The slaughter of the Dragon is more of a change in method than a change in action or principle from taking potshots at Garrett Jacob Hobbs and Eldon Stammetts.  The aesthetics have changed.  Have the ethics?  I think Hannibal may gras that he might’ve got a lot more milage out of pushing the definition of “righteousness” than trying to remove it from the equation altogether.

I think I may be out on a bit of a limb here, but I see less an evolution from Regular Will to Dark Will, and more motion around him.  I see much more character change in Hannibal, from icy orderly planned killer to Murder Lion, Weilder of Hammer and Teeth and Maybe Impulsive Ice-Pick, from would-be puppet-master to would-be partner.  The rules of the game seem also to have changed.  Alana and Jack both hardened and became more willing to deploy very dark grey, murdery schemes of their own where they felt they were “justified.”  Where’s the moral distance between slaughtering Mason and slaughtering Randall Tier?  Between planning a murder-suicide for the Red Dragon and carrying it out?  A Will with fewer costs to count might be much more susceptible to Hannibal’s persuasion to stop berating himself for the delight when everyone around him slides toward allowing and condoning extreme acts of violence for the “special cases” that pop up right like clockwork.  Then again, a Will who delights might generate much less beautiful distress, and I’m not sure that’s what Hannibal really wants, in his heart of hearts.

ETA:  Given the other discussions swirling around, I don’t mean any of the above to suggest that I think Will is actually righteous, or that his violence (or Jack’s or Alana’s, or god no Hannibal’s) is ~justified,~ or even justifiable.  I am actually extra-interested in the show’s interrogation of the very concept of “good violence.”  A lot of my love for the show, and for Will especially, is grounded in how painful even textbook Justified Use of Force is, how ugly and complicit everyone is.  One of the major “pleasures” of the show, for me, was that feeling of gradually becoming a dirty - a worse person, somehow, for every judgment I made, for every ounce of sympathy I managed to muster up, for my stomach-deep desire for Those Two Crazy Kids To Make It Work when I couldn’t justify it as a Good Outcome.

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Obviously I’m just gonna take up the fanciest fountain pen here to CO-SIGN THIS, with too much ink and flourishes and little hearts and stuff.

Actually, this probably ties in to another thing @confusedkayt and I have been talking about recently, which is how Hannibal got everything he ostensibly wanted in Italy — nice things, nice food, nice wine, nice beautiful Murder Wife who goes dancing with me and makes devastating jokes at the dinner table and lets me wash her hair and put her in murd-maybs sort of situations — and ultimately he’s just like “siiighhh, Bedelia I miss Will.” And I think Kayt is so right about “Digestivo” being a big turning point, because the Will Hannibal can’t bear to lose is not Will with combed hair talking about ~using his hands~, but Will in a flannel shirt in Wolf Trap telling him that he can’t be what he thinks Hannibal wants. But I think the only thing Hannibal even knows that he wants anymore is just Will. Hannibal wants to put the teacup back together and find he holds in his hands a world where Will can want him too. He doesn’t throw him right into another Murder Aptitude Test to try to prove Will wrong and him right, he just GOES TO PRISON to WAIT FOR HIM. He hopes, now, that he has actually changed Will as much as Will has changed him, and prays that he’ll come see him, bless Hannibal with the sight of him and the glory of his wrath. Really, Will has changed Hannibal to a man of faith, which is an impressive trick to pull on the Devil.

Anyway, I’m just really glad the whole world gets to appreciate the term Barbie Dress Up Murder Husband now.

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